How to Sync PC with IPAD without Dropbox

dboy

In China,we cannot access Dropbox, I don't know why, maybe the same with Facebook and YouTube.



the problem is that i bought 1 Passowrd for PC and also for Ipad. without Dropbox I can not Sync between them.



is there gonna be a new verson witch support Sync over WIFI or there is another way by Output and Input?



Thanks and all the Best.

ville

So there seems to be demand for wifi sync after all.

DBrown

dboy, welcome to the forum!



As noted under [url="http://help.agile.ws/1Password_Windows/faq.html#why_isnt_there_a_wifi_sync_option"][i]Why isn’t there a Wi-Fi sync option?[/i][/url] in the [i]FAQ[/i] section of our user's guide, the Wi-Fi sync option available in 1Password for Mac relies on elements of OS X that have no counterpart in Windows.



There is currently no plan to implement Wi-Fi sync in 1Password for Windows, though this may be something we can look into, for some future release.



In the meantime, we apologize for the inconvenience.

dboy

[quote name='DBrown' timestamp='1288893693' post='14494']

dboy, welcome to the forum!



As noted under [url="http://help.agile.ws/1Password_Windows/faq.html#why_isnt_there_a_wifi_sync_option"][i]Why isn’t there a Wi-Fi sync option?[/i][/url] in the [i]FAQ[/i] section of our user's guide, the Wi-Fi sync option available in 1Password for Mac relies on elements of OS X that have no counterpart in Windows.



There is currently no plan to implement Wi-Fi sync in 1Password for Windows, though this may be something we can look into, for some future release.



In the meantime, we apologize for the inconvenience.

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Thanks David.



Since Apple just offically lunched Ipad in Chinese market, and thousands of people are waiting in line to get their first Ipad. I think soon enough people will start to realize the problem. The problem with dropbox and sync difficulties with 1password is deadly in China.



I understand it is not something we can resolve shortly, but I hope you guys can offer an alternative, for example "Idisk from Mobile me" or "Simplely a way of Backup in Ipad and restore in Windows"



Anyway I am glad I choosed 1Password, the experience is great. if you need me to test any alternative you are offering, I am glad to help from Chinese end.



my email: Mr.yuantao@hotmail.com



regards

brenty

It probably isn't what you had in mind, but WebDav support seems to have been slated for [url="http://forum.agile.ws/index.php?/topic/1243-webdav-syncing/"]some future release[/url]. For some reason I thought Apple shipped a Bonjour implementation along with iTunes/Safari for Windows, or are you guys just using something else entirely for syncing?



I guess I didn't realize just how bad Windows users had it nowadays. You know, besides the whole malware thing. <img src='http://forum.agile.ws/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

DBrown

[quote name='dboy' timestamp='1288924417' post='14508']...I hope you guys can offer an alternative, for example "Idisk from Mobile me" or "Simplely a way of Backup in Ipad and restore in Windows"[/quote]

Here's a relevant snippet from the [i]FAQ[/i] section of our [b]1Password for Mac[/b] user's guide:



[indent][color=blue]Many customers have asked how to sync their 1Password data with iDisk. 1Password’s data file

is actively manipulated, and the speed constraints of the iDisk can cause issues in this area. In the

past we tried to help and explained how iDisk could be configured, but after many problem reports

and much experience in this area we cannot currently recommend it. Unfortunately, iDisk and

1Password do not work well together at this time.[/color][/indent]

The backup-and-restore format used by our apps for iOS currently is not compatible with the format used by our desktop clients. We hope to improve our 1Password products in this respect in future releases, though there's no information about what any such improvements might look like, how they might work, or when they might become available.



[quote]if you need me to test any alternative you are offering, I am glad to help from Chinese end.[/quote]

Thanks for that kind offer, dboy, and thank you for using 1Password!

MyDogHasFleas

[quote name='DBrown' timestamp='1288893693' post='14494']

As noted under [url="http://help.agile.ws/1Password_Windows/faq.html#why_isnt_there_a_wifi_sync_option"][i]Why isn’t there a Wi-Fi sync option?[/i][/url] in the [i]FAQ[/i] section of our user's guide, the Wi-Fi sync option available in 1Password for Mac relies on elements of OS X that have no counterpart in Windows.

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Other products (e.g. SplashID) use Apple's Bonjour to accomplish wi-fi sync on Windows. Your designers should look into that. It seems pretty straightforward.

[Deleted User]

[quote name='MyDogHasFleas' timestamp='1289061073' post='14643']

Other products (e.g. SplashID) use Apple's Bonjour to accomplish wi-fi sync on Windows. Your designers should look into that. It seems pretty straightforward.

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Hi, MyDogHasFleas (great nickname by the way),



I believe there are other elements our Mac version uses beyond just Bonjour for the syncing process to work. Unfortunately syncing is never a straight forward thing, there's lots to consider and ensure that conflicts can be resolves, that the sync is reliable etc. As David has mentioned we don't currently have plans to implement Wi-Fi syncing in 1Password for Windows, but we never say never here, so it may come in the future.



As 'Brenty (toromei)' mentioned, we are looking into WebDAV syncing for future updates to the whole 1Password range, which should make it possible to sync with your own WebDAV server (fairly easy to setup) or from what I understand should open the door to a reliable MobileMe sync option. There's no timeframe for this right now, but we'll keep you updated via these forums.



Going back to the original point, I'm sorry to hear that our Chinese users aren't able to use Dropbox, it's a great service and a shame it's blocked for you.

MyDogHasFleas

[quote name='stu' timestamp='1289062123' post='14646']

As 'Brenty (toromei)' mentioned, we are looking into WebDAV syncing for future updates to the whole 1Password range, which should make it possible to sync with your own WebDAV server

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WebDAV is more about syncing to a server or to the cloud. You really need to look into a way to sync iOS-to-Windows directly, as your competitors do. I've used both SplashID and eWallet and they both do this very well. They both use Bonjour as a discovery and transport vehicle.



Not only do you have countries blocking services like DropBox, you also will run into corporate requirements for business use that forbid putting company data anywhere on the public cloud. For example the company I work for will not allow us to sync our desktop calendars to Google, because they contain confidential information like attendee lists and conference call passwords. The data protected by 1password is a lot more significant than that.

[Deleted User]

[quote name='MyDogHasFleas' timestamp='1289079197' post='14674']

WebDAV is more about syncing to a server or to the cloud. You really need to look into a way to sync iOS-to-Windows directly, as your competitors do. I've used both SplashID and eWallet and they both do this very well. They both use Bonjour as a discovery and transport vehicle.[/quote]



Thanks for the heads up on SplashID and eWallet, I wasn't aware they used Bonjour for both elements of the sync. Of course, this does mean the user has to be able to install Bonjour on their system, which is often blocked by IT policy, and that the firewalls on the wireless network will allow the data, which brings me on to your next point.



[quote]Not only do you have countries blocking services like DropBox, you also will run into corporate requirements for business use that forbid putting company data anywhere on the public cloud. For example the company I work for will not allow us to sync our desktop calendars to Google, because they contain confidential information like attendee lists and conference call passwords. The data protected by 1password is a lot more significant than that.

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You're quite right here, unfortunately many IT policies prevent services like Dropbox from being used, although given that your 1Password is encrypted at all times this isn't as much of a risk as syncing an unencrypted calendar with Google, for example.



As we've mentioned, we try never to say never here at Agile Web Solutions, but for now the focus for syncing with 1Password for Windows is on Dropbox, that doesn't mean other solutions won't come, but just that we haven't gotten that far along the development yet.



Thanks again for the feedback,

MyDogHasFleas

[quote name='stu' timestamp='1289080242' post='14676']

Thanks for the heads up on SplashID and eWallet, I wasn't aware they used Bonjour for both elements of the sync. Of course, this does mean the user has to be able to install Bonjour on their system, which is often blocked by IT policy, and that the firewalls on the wireless network will allow the data,

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Yep that's correct. My company does allow me to install stuff on my work PC, and monitors it for a "blacklist" of bad things, but many companies take a "whitelist" approach and lock down the PCs, only allowing approved company-supplied installs that they push to the PC. So maybe Bonjour has its issues too. But whaddaya gonna do? You have to have some way to get from the iOS device to the PC if you're going to sync.



Your comment on wireless firewalls is interesting, I hadn't thought about that. Some companies do only allow registered devices to connect, either wired or wireless, onto office networks. In that case, your iOS device would have to connect to the cloud via 3G to sync, is the only solution I can think of.



The obvious best solution is USB sync. However I understand Apple doesn't support that, yet, for apps... only for iTunes.



As a meta-comment, this is about the best collaboration and communication I've ever seen on a customer support forum. Nice work. You don't treat people who know what they are talking about like stupid customers, I appreciate that.

[Deleted User]

[quote name='MyDogHasFleas' timestamp='1289145677' post='14694']

Yep that's correct. My company does allow me to install stuff on my work PC, and monitors it for a "blacklist" of bad things, but many companies take a "whitelist" approach and lock down the PCs, only allowing approved company-supplied installs that they push to the PC. So maybe Bonjour has its issues too. But whaddaya gonna do? You have to have some way to get from the iOS device to the PC if you're going to sync.[/quote]



I remember working as an intern at a fairly large newspaper here in the UK way back in 2000, and even then the IT policy was incredibly locked down, albeit not as enforceable as it is today with the latest versions of Windows and Windows Server. Interestingly, my father still works for the same company and their IT policy is on a whitelist basis, which means he can't even install 1Password for Windows, then again they are still using IE6 so it wouldn't be much good to him!



[quote]Your comment on wireless firewalls is interesting, I hadn't thought about that. Some companies do only allow registered devices to connect, either wired or wireless, onto office networks. In that case, your iOS device would have to connect to the cloud via 3G to sync, is the only solution I can think of.[/quote]



This is why we love Dropbox so much, where firewalls permit it to work, it does just work. There may be other solutions down the road, and some people have asked if we could create our own '1Password.com' syncing solution, and this is certainly an interesting idea but one that comes with a lot of financial and resource overheads.



[quote]The obvious best solution is USB sync. However I understand Apple doesn't support that, yet, for apps... only for iTunes.[/quote]



That's right, there were some developers who got around this by using the DCIM interface intended for syncing the camera data, but once Apple realised this was happening the developers were told to remove this or have their apps pulled from the store. I think it's safe to say that Dave and Roustem never want to have to deal with that.



[quote]As a meta-comment, this is about the best collaboration and communication I've ever seen on a customer support forum. Nice work. You don't treat people who know what they are talking about like stupid customers, I appreciate that.

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Thank you, we try really hard to make the forums a welcoming place for everyone, whatever their skill level may be. I'll admit that when it comes to some of the more detailed security stuff I bow to my colleague's knowledge, and that's why I think we have such a great team here, everyone works together to benefit our users.

dboy

Thanks all,



Right now I am trying to find my way out by using Socket5 proxy host from other country, not yet succussed. It's a bit of trouble, but again that is nobody's fault.



Great discussion, and Great Forum, I am impressed.



[quote name='stu' timestamp='1289062123' post='14646']

Going back to the original point, I'm sorry to hear that our Chinese users aren't able to use Dropbox, it's a great service and a shame it's blocked for you.

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Yeah, what a pity. specially when you also cannot use Facebook and Youtobe at all.(also great service).

ville

I also explored the option to use SplashID for my password storage as it has wifi sync in windows. But 1Password has both better iPhone app and better windows app.



Please explore the option to add wifi sync via Bonjour. What I have gotten in to Apples way of doing things. It should not be hard to take advantage of the ready services bonjour offers.

Stefan von Dutch

[quote name='ville' timestamp='1289211528' post='14742']

it should not be hard

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People keep saying "it is easy". Unfortunately, that is not the case. And even if it would be easy, we still have to QA and document everything we do.

uncchbb

Add me to the list of the disappointed... I use 1Password for the Mac and iOS in my personal life, and I just purchased 1Password for Windows and iOS for my work phone/life. Dropbox isn't an option... so I'm stuck.



My issue, however, stems more from the fact that the lack of functionality isn't really clear on the page https://agilebits.com/onepassword/win . On one hand it says...





[quote]

[b] Keep all of your devices in sync![/b]



Using the free service [url="http://www.dropbox.com"]Dropbox[/url] you can easily keep 1Password in sync on all of your computers and mobile devices.

[/quote]



...and...



[quote]

[b] Always By Your Side[/b]



Now you can take your information with you so that it's always on hand. Mobile versions of 1Password are available for [url="https://agilebits.com/onepassword/iphone"]iPhone, iPod touch[/url], and [url="https://agilebits.com/onepassword/ipad"]iPad[/url]

[/quote]



...and then the kicker:



[quote]

[b] Our Guarantee[/b]

[list]

[*]You are always in control of your data. The cloud is [url="http://help.agilebits.com/1Password_Windows/tutorials.html#setting_up_dropbox_sync"]an option[/url] but not a requirement.

[/list]

[/quote]



For those of us that knew Dropbox wasn't an option going in that last statement is misleading, because it IS a requirement if one wants to sync.

khad

Welcome to the forums, uncchbb! Thanks for the feedback. I'm sorry if it was unclear that Dropbox was [b]only[/b] optional [b]if you didn't want to sync[/b]. I see that Mike has already replied to your email and refunded your purchase. To reiterate what he told you via email, we plan to introduce a local sync solution in a future update to 1Password for Windows. However there is not a time frame for this.



If we can be of further assistance in the meantime, please let us know. We are always here to help!