Safari 5.1 Extension Feedback

[Deleted User] · July 2011

[quote name='dannyt' timestamp='1311446172' post='33403']

I agree with the above. In fact I'm getting quite sick of the constant, flippant and off handed remarks buy mostly the "staff" of Agile in this and other threads about how much people "love" the UI in Chrome. Well guess what? I don't give a damn about how much people that use Chrome "like or love" the UI. We in this thread (that is clearly labeled "Safari 5.1") don't use Chrome. We use Safari for a reason; it's clean, intuitive and functional work flow. No matter how much spin you guys try to put on the "beauty" of the new UI, I and others feel it is an ugly, bloated and useless extension. It was obviously designed by someone other that the people that designed the original program because it has none of the beauty or elegance of that design. If we want something that looks and functions like Windows or Chrome we would be using it already. I realize that Apple is forcing change on your design and function but they are not forcing you to use a Chrome looking extension on Safari.

If people like the look and function of the UI on Chrome that is great for them but don't force us Safari users to suffer because of them. I know you don't want to hear this but you need to throw the entire new UI away and start over to give us something close to what we had in Safari before. While I have full confidence that you will get 1Password functioning again, at this point I have almost zero confidence that you are willing to change the UI. Please prove me wrong.

P.S. Agile staff - If you want more civil postings from people you need to quit stoking the fire with all the Chrome references and the explicit or implied "suck it up", "get used to it I did", "you guys are just a bunch of cry babies"etc. You have to realize several of us use your software in our daily businesses to earn a living and at this point you have severally crippled that usage. I personally have over 450 items in 1Password. This is not a joke to us, it affects our livelihood.

[/quote]

Hey dannyt,

Thanks for letting me know what you thought about my response. I'm always open to personal feedback, and I never want to be perceived as providing flippant remarks to anyone.

Regarding the post you quoted, I hope you read the follow up conversation that the Jay and I had. If you did/do, I hope you will come to the conclusion that I and the company do care about our users' opinions, and that as users ourselves, we want to make everyone of you happy. After all, we all use 1Password too, and we don't live in a vacuum. If it bothers you, there is a good chance it bothers us too.

The Safari extension is still in development, so user feedback is what we are using to focus our efforts on the fixes and changes to be implemented. We've pushed 3 updates within the last 24 hours, and I know that there are still a lot of changes that we haven't gotten to yet. However, the work is not stopping on our end, and any specific likes or dislikes that you can offer will help us allocate our time to fixing/changing those items first.

It definitely sounds like you are getting a "we don't care, just deal with message" form my and other team member responses, and I am sorry for that. It certainly is not intended, but I appreciate you letting me know so. I'll be sure to review the responses we've been giving, and I will take a hard look at the words/explanations that we give. It is difficult to convey emotion in a post, and I am sure that you do not feel as you do for no reason.

I know that you do not like the current UI. Are there other specific items that you dislike or like? If so, please respond with those. I will make sure your other votes are counted as well.

Thanks again for taking the time to offer your opinions.

Cheers!

Brandt

[Deleted User] · July 2011

[quote name='donebylee' timestamp='1311446851' post='33410']

Just sent as requested

[/quote]

Thanks donebylee!

I'll go track it down.

Brandt

blbennett43 · July 2011

Things are much improved on Lion after the latest updates!

Thank you!

gmill · July 2011

Just an idea. Lets focus on getting this safari plugin to work exactly like the version we all used to love? Forget new features, how about just focus on the features we had

and no longer have?

#1. User Interface - I know you probably spent a lot of time and money on this part - IT IS A HUGE FAILURE - get rid of it asap. Come out and tell us you understand we all hate it and you will go back to the old UI.

#2 - No one here wants to have to navigate to thousands of websites to delete and then update their login passwords. What used to work for every single website in 1Password should work in this new version.

You can not expect us to redo all the work we have done in this application. Example: Bank of America - I do not want to have to update my logins, just get your extension to work like it used to so I don't have to do anything to my saved logins.

#3 - Pushing out new updates of this extension - has anyone really thought this out? Pushing 2-3 updates per day seems like you are not testing this at all, just fixing stuff and throwing it out like darts on a board. What is getting broken when you fix something? Why are there no incremental updates to inform us what is changed/fixed in each update? All of your past updates have worked great until this new Lion 5.1 safari plugin. The trust is gone and we are now being held hostage.

#4 - Did anyone at Agile contact Apple to discuss any of this? I am sure a lot of Apple developers use this program on the safari team. Why not contact them to find a solution. Put your developers on a plane today and fly them to Apple campus to work on fixing this, not improving it to a new version, but getting the old version back working 100%. That is really all we want, our old program back.

Think about #4 for a while, really think about it.

I am looking forward to telling you here how great the new version works just like it used to.

elpis · July 2011

Registered just to tell you to ***please*** bring back the old version.

The issues I am having:

1. Page simply refreshes when trying to log in.

2. After my computer goes back from sleep the pop-up extension does not always ask me for master password, as it did before. I consider this a breach of security.

dannyt · July 2011

[quote name='bswins' timestamp='1311447689' post='33415']

Hey dannyt,

Thanks for letting me know what you thought about my response. I'm always open to personal feedback, and I never want to be perceived as providing flippant remarks to anyone.

[/quote]

Brandt, my comments were not directed to you per se but several of the Agile staff regarding their responses in these forums and on the Agile blogs.

Paranoid · July 2011

I just simply downgraded to Safari 5.0.5 from my TimeMachine Backup EDIT: under Max OS X 10.6.8.

While this is not a 'clean' downgrade, it seems to work - and most important, it let me use the old and better 1Password plugin.

Buh, how much I hate Safari 5.1 and Lion! What an influence the comfort of 1Password has ...

donebylee · July 2011

[quote name='Paranoid' timestamp='1311449993' post='33426']

I just simply downgraded to Safari 5.0.5 from my TimeMachine Backup.

While this is not a 'clean' downgrade, it seems to work - and most important, it let me use the old and better 1Password plugin.

Buh, how much I hate Safari 5.1 and Lion! What an influence the comfort of 1Password has ...

[/quote]

Wait you can run the old safari on Lion?

Really?

Please post back here if true.

[Deleted User] · July 2011

dannyt,

Thanks for the reply. I know that I'm not above making "matter of fact" comments that could be taken the way you mentioned. However, thank you for you comment.

I shared our initial reply with the team so that everyone is aware that how we say things means almost, if not more, than what we say.

As I mentioned to you before, I am certain that you didn't feel the way you do for no reason, and I appreciate you telling us so. Members keep us on our toes regarding technical issues, and your comments will help to keep the CS staff on their toes too. Thanks again. I do mean that sincerely.

That doesn't help you with your dislikes of the current technical setup. If you do have additional complaints regarding the current functionality, I will ensure they reach the developers.

Cheers!

Brandt

Paranoid · July 2011

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I 'downgraded' from Safari 5.1 to 5.0.5 under Mac OS X 10.6.8.

pnh · July 2011

I've been reading with envy the posts of users who are having problems with particular sites, because since upgrading to Lion I've been completely unable to get past the "Data not available, please open and unlock 1Password app" bug.

I have followed the instructions posted here a dozen times. I've uninstalled the 1Password Safari extension, quit Safari, launched 1Password, made sure I was using the very latest version of 1Password, clicked the "install Safari extension" button, gone to a website that requires a login, clicked the "1P" button on my Safari toolbar, entered my master 1Password password, and...bang.

I have also made sure that all the check boxes in the "Locking" section of 1Password's preferences are unchecked, as instructed. Nothing has made any difference.

I have even completely uninstalled and reinstalled 1Password from scratch. And I've engaged in all the venerable dead-chicken-waving practices known to longtime Mac users who aren't actually trained technical people. Cleared caches. Checked permissions. Repaired permissions. Restarted over and over again. Nothing.

I would like to experience the problems that other users are having with "workflow" and particular sites. Can anyone offer any suggestions?

donebylee · July 2011

[b]Ok, I am not a fan of Firefox, BUT 1P works just like it used to in FF.[/b]

I am not changing my default browser just yet, but at least there is a useable way of getting to my necessary sites.

For what its worth 1P's new version works for every site I tried, except my bank (regions).

This is a pretty big fail. I can't use it to get in at all. Copy and paste is only solution in Safari. Firefox just works.

I am working with Brandt to provide info to hopefully fix the endless loop of death (goes to the website appears to fill in everything and then poof nothing and it refreshes the page).

[b]Remember fans of the old way: Firefox works just like you want it to. Now. No waiting.[/b]

I don't mind the GUI of the new extension.

But I want it to work with all my logins.

[Deleted User] · July 2011

Hi gmill,

I know you're frustrated, and I know this applies to a lot of folks here too. Please do understand that we didn't intentionally set out to upset our users, far from it, but we know change is difficult for people, it is for us too.

[quote name='gmill' timestamp='1311448504' post='33420']

Just an idea. Lets focus on getting this safari plugin to work exactly like the version we all used to love? Forget new features, how about just focus on the features we had

and no longer have?[/quote]

I understand exactly where you're coming from, but let me just clarify, we cannot go back to the old method of integration with Safari under Lion. As has been mentioned many times, Apple removed support for scripting additions completely from Lion. This happened part way through Lion's development, which meant that we had to switch direction and start from scratch with the new extension.

This means that while we're working hard to bring as much functionality from the old implementation to the new extension as we can, some things are just not possible unless Apple change the APIs within Safari.

[quote]#1. User Interface - I know you probably spent a lot of time and money on this part - IT IS A HUGE FAILURE - get rid of it asap. Come out and tell us you understand we all hate it and you will go back to the old UI.[/quote]

I think it's fair to say that UI is a very subjective thing, we're getting great feedback both positive and negative about the new Safari extension UI. We're taking everything on board and I'm pleased to say that our designer is working on some awesome ideas to try and give everyone the best experience.

I'm going to be honest, we can never bring back the UI as it was, it just isn't possible, the menus were part of the scripting additions implementation, so they can't come back. The only way for us to integrate with Safari 5.1 is via HTML / CSS and JavaScript.

[quote]#2 - No one here wants to have to navigate to thousands of websites to delete and then update their login passwords. What used to work for every single website in 1Password should work in this new version.

You can not expect us to redo all the work we have done in this application. Example: Bank of America - I do not want to have to update my logins, just get your extension to work like it used to so I don't have to do anything to my saved logins.[/quote]

In most cases, you're right, you should not have to do anything to your existing Logins to get them to work with the new Safari extension. The cases you may need to do this are, being honest, when a website is doing something 'creative' with their login form and as such re-saving the form based on the new form-filling code is sometimes required. That said, we're working to try to make this not the case and ideally we'd have 1Password 'just work' with every site out there.

For example, the latest update should now make sure that 1Password is properly detecting logins with port numbers and properly detecting a login based on it's protocol such as http or https. It also restores the ability to selectively disable auto-submit for a particular Login, which is crucial if your bank uses things like 'SiteKeys', which Bank of America, as one example, uses for part of their login process.

The truth is, this new extension is a complete re-write of both the interface, form filling and saving and how the extension integrates with Safari. That's no easy task, and as I think we've mentioned before, it was a choice of either going down this new route of native Safari integration or having no support for Safari in Lion until we'd worked out every issue.

[quote]#3 - Pushing out new updates of this extension - has anyone really thought this out? Pushing 2-3 updates per day seems like you are not testing this at all, just fixing stuff and throwing it out like darts on a board. What is getting broken when you fix something? Why are there no incremental updates to inform us what is changed/fixed in each update? All of your past updates have worked great until this new Lion 5.1 safari plugin. The trust is gone and we are now being held hostage.[/quote]

That's a fair point, in hindsight maybe we should have found a way to push the updates out via a separate Beta extension channel, though this would delay us getting much needed fixes out.

That said, it would have left non-Beta users with no Safari 5.1 integration at all, the extension has always been Beta. However, I'm pleased to say that we've just released the stable 3.6.5 build with the Beta-28 version of the extension.

While we don't have a public change-log for the actual Safari extension, each update to 1Password does have a complete change-log within the update window, and of course we'll note any big changes to the extension there too.

If you do want to see our internal change-log for the Safari extension you can find it[url="http://cdn.agilebits.com/dist/1P/ext/CHANGELOG"]here[/url] but it's not something we'll be posting everywhere.

One of the good things with the new extensions approach is that where changes don't require anything to be changed within 1Password itself, we can update the extension automatically for you so you get things straight away.

[quote]#4 - Did anyone at Agile contact Apple to discuss any of this? I am sure a lot of Apple developers use this program on the safari team. Why not contact them to find a solution. Put your developers on a plane today and fly them to Apple campus to work on fixing this, not improving it to a new version, but getting the old version back working 100%. That is really all we want, our old program back.[/quote]

As it happens, yes, our development team spent quite a lot of time with the Safari team at Apple, they helped us understand what is and isn't possible with the new Safari extensions framework. The reality is that Apple will not, regardless of how much they may or may not use and like 1Password, bring back a feature they consider obsolete (Scripting Additions) for just one application.

Apple see the future of Safari extensions being in the new framework, everyone who develops Safari extensions has to switch to this system. A prime example is the folks at Evernote, their Safari web-clipper used scripting additions like our old method of integration did, with Lion and Safari 5.1 they too have found they have had to move to the native extensions framework.

Another example of Apple pushing forward has to be Rosetta, it's gone completely from Lion, not even available as an option to install like it was in Snow Leopard. Why, because as far as Apple are concerned all Mac applications should be either Intel only or Universal.

Let me just summarise some of the key points for everyone here:

[list]

[*]We are listening to all your feedback, be it positive or negative, it's vitally important to us.

[*]We cannot bring back the old extension in Lion or with Safari 5.1 in Snow Leopard, it isn't technically possible

[*]We are working hard to bring back functionality to the extension

[*]We're looking into ways to improve the interface, we hope it'll be a great solution for everyone

[*]We're truly sorry for any upset, frustration or anger that's been caused, we realise change is not easy, ideally we'd have stuck with the old solution, but the reality is that just wasn't an option

[/list]

Hope that helps address a number of issues for you, gmill, and for everyone else reading this too. Keep the feedback coming, we just ask for some patience and understanding while we're working to give you the best 1Password experience in Safari.

Thanks,

[Deleted User] · July 2011

[quote name='donebylee' timestamp='1311453925' post='33435']

[b]Ok, I am not a fan of Firefox, BUT 1P works just like it used to in FF.[/b]

I am not changing my default browser just yet, but at least there is a useable way of getting to my necessary sites.

For what its worth 1P's new version works for every site I tried, except my bank (regions).

This is a pretty big fail. I can't use it to get in at all. Copy and paste is only solution in Safari. Firefox just works.

I am working with Brandt to provide info to hopefully fix the endless loop of death (goes to the website appears to fill in everything and then poof nothing and it refreshes the page).

[b]Remember fans of the old way: Firefox works just like you want it to. Now. No waiting.[/b]

I don't mind the GUI of the new extension.

But I want it to work with all my logins.

[/quote]

Hey Lee,

I know we've communicated via e-mail a lot recently, and before posting additional information regarding our results, I first want to be sure of your status as you reported in your last message to me.

Please let me know, and if the answer is still the same, I will offer more details on the situation.

Thanks again for your efforts to help us get to this point.

Cheers!

Brandt

donebylee · July 2011

[quote name='bswins' timestamp='1311454976' post='33439']

Hey Lee,

I know we've communicated via e-mail a lot recently, and before posting additional information regarding our results, I first want to be sure of your status as you reported in your last message to me.

Please let me know, and if the answer is still the same, I will offer more details on the situation.

Thanks again for your efforts to help us get to this point.

Cheers!

Brandt

[/quote]

Brandt I have sent you 4 emails that you have not responded to.

That is the status as I see it.

I posted the message you quoted primarily to point out to fans of the old way that it still exists, albeit in Firefox.

I am awaiting further feedback from you regarding the unanswered emails.

Thanks.

[Deleted User] · July 2011

[quote name='donebylee' timestamp='1311455201' post='33440']

Brandt I have sent you 4 emails that you have not responded to.

That is the status as I see it.

I posted the message you quoted primarily to point out to fans of the old way that it still exists, albeit in Firefox.

I am awaiting further feedback from you regarding the unanswered emails.

Thanks.

[/quote]

Lee,

Thanks for letting me know. I've been watching the e-mail box as before, and I haven't seen them yet. I'll continue to watch our Inbox and will reply as soon as they arrive.

Brandt

donebylee · July 2011

[quote name='bswins' timestamp='1311455307' post='33441']

Lee,

Thanks for letting me know. I've been watching the e-mail box as before, and I haven't seen them yet. I'll continue to watch our Inbox and will reply as soon as they arrive.

Brandt

[/quote]

This is very concerning to me. The first email was sent to you over 40 minutes ago. The next followed within 3 minutes of the prior one and included video capture of the problem in action.

The remaining two were sent within the last 20 minutes.

Thanks

Paranoid · July 2011

I wonder why Safari Cookies with SIMBL simply just works (at least with X 10.6.8 and S 5.1).

[Deleted User] · July 2011

[quote name='donebylee' timestamp='1311455511' post='33442']

This is very concerning to me. The first email was sent to you over 40 minutes ago. The next followed within 3 minutes of the prior one and included video capture of the problem in action.

The remaining two were sent within the last 20 minutes.

Thanks

[/quote]

Lee,

They arrived. As may not surprise you, we've had more than the usual volume of e-mails lately. There have been some intermittent delays. However, I am reviewing the screen shots and the .mov file, and I'll respond to you.

Cheers!

Brandt

donebylee · July 2011

[quote name='bswins' timestamp='1311455697' post='33445']

Lee,

They arrived. As may not surprise you, we've had more than the usual volume of e-mails lately. There have been some intermittent delays. However, I am reviewing the screen shots and the .mov file, and I'll respond to you.

Cheers!

Brandt

[/quote]

Brandt.

Good to hear. Given the nature of the material I was somewhat worried when they hadn't showed up in your inbox.

Thanks.

kmackk · July 2011

I just updated Safari today to 5.1, as I also had an update for 1P. What a surprise for me.

I can't read this whole thread to figure out what is going on with the new interface, and I shouldn't have too.

From what I see so far, I must either scroll through the list of sites I have in 1P, or start typing in the search box.

Is this correct?

Please help me understand how to use this, without me needing to search the FAQ or threads on the forum.

I am sure you have your reasons for making it work this way, but you must know 1P is now the most useless button on

my Safari tool bar. Please do not do this to Firefox too!

Updates are to improve the user experience and function. Now I need to spend my valuable time relearning what should

have been a hands off affair. You fell short on this one.

donebylee · July 2011

[quote name='kmackk' timestamp='1311456164' post='33449']

I just updated Safari today to 5.1, as I also had an update for 1P. What a surprise for me.

I can't read this whole thread to figure out what is going on with the new interface, and I shouldn't have too.

From what I see so far, I must either scroll through the list of sites I have in 1P, or start typing in the search box.

Is this correct?

Please help me understand how to use this, without me needing to search the FAQ or threads on the forum.

I am sure you have your reasons for making it work this way, but you must know 1P is now the most useless button on

my Safari tool bar. Please do not do this to Firefox too!

Updates are to improve the user experience and function. Now I need to spend my valuable time relearning what should

have been a hands off affair. You fell short on this one.

[/quote]

Here is all you need: [url="http://help.agilebits.com/1Password3/safari_5.1_intro.html"]Users Guide for the extension[/url]

kmackk · July 2011

[quote name='donebylee' timestamp='1311456497' post='33452']

Here is all you need: [url="http://help.agilebits.com/1Password3/safari_5.1_intro.html"]Users Guide for the extension[/url]

[/quote]

You're awesome!

Thank you,

Agile should put you on retainer!

donebylee · July 2011

[quote name='kmackk' timestamp='1311456828' post='33454']

You're awesome!

Thank you,

Agile should put you on retainer!

[/quote]

LMAO….

<img src='http://forum.agile.ws/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

gpc · July 2011

[quote name='donebylee' timestamp='1311453925' post='33435']

[b]

[/b]For what its worth 1P's new version works for every site I tried, except my bank (regions).

This is a pretty big fail. I can't use it to get in at all. Copy and paste is only solution in Safari. Firefox just works.

I am working with Brandt to provide info to hopefully fix the endless loop of death (goes to the website appears to fill in everything and then poof nothing and it refreshes the page).

[/quote]

Regions is one of 5 sites I've emailed Agile about. My impression with 3 of the 5 (including regions.com) is that 1password's autosubmit function is, in effect, clicking on the wrong button when it submits the login. eg, in one case Safari acts as if "search" was clicked instead of "login" (Safari even pops up a warning about submitting an insecure form, same as I get if I click on the "search" button manually on the page). In another case autosubmit seems to activate a "help" link in the login box instead of the "login" button. In the case of regions.com I can't tell what 1password is "clicking on," but the page reloads as [url="https://www.regions.com/templateOverview.aspx"]https://www.regions....teOverview.aspx[/url] which suggests something similar is happening.

The other 2 problem sites do not submit anything at all (no data upload appears in Activity Monitor after the username/pwd fields are filled in). These 5 sites represent about 1/4 of the sites I have tested the new extension with -- major corporations such as Regions and American Express.

I have now upgraded the 1password app to 3.6.5 (build 31075), uninstalled and reinstalled the Safari extension (3.6.5.BETA-28), and these 5 sites still fail the same way. This is with Snow Leopard, not Lion.

[Deleted User] · July 2011

Hello gpc,

There are several sites that we are tracking that act like the [url="http://regions.com"]regions.com[/url] site.

We are looking at options to deal with these sites, but I do not have anything to report at this time.

In the interim, setting the Submit value to "Never" in your saved Login, has produced the ability to Fill your information without subsequently wiping it out on several sites like these.

Please let us know if this setting works for you. If not, please reply back with the URLs of any sites that the setting does not work.

Cheers!

Brandt

SeaGull · July 2011

I am using Safari 5.1 and 1Password 3.6.5 on a Macbook Pro with OSX 10.6.8

Since updating and installing the new 1Password extension I have had problems with Safari preferences. The extension tab in Safari Preferences produces a blank page with nothing on it. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the extension but there is still no information on the page in safari>preferences>extension menu. Can you assist with this problem please. Other than that 1Password appears to be working ok.

SeaGull · July 2011

I am using Safari 5.1 and 1Password 3.6.5 on a Macbook Pro with OSX 10.6.8

Since updating and installing the new 1Password extension I have had problems with Safari preferences. The extension tab in Safari Preferences produces a blank page with nothing on it. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the extension but there is still no information on the page in safari>preferences>extension menu. Can you assist with this problem please. Other than that 1Password appears to be working ok.

gpc · July 2011

[quote name='bswins' timestamp='1311459445' post='33463']

Hello gpc,

There are several sites that we are tracking that act like the [url="http://regions.com"]regions.com[/url] site.

We are looking at options to deal with these sites, but I do not have anything to report at this time.

In the interim, setting the Submit value to "Never" in your saved Login, has produced the ability to Fill your information without subsequently wiping it out on several sites like these.

Please let us know if this setting works for you. If not, please reply back with the URLs of any sites that the setting does not work.

Cheers!

Brandt

[/quote]

Thanks. The "never" setting seems to be respected now that I upgraded to 3.6.5. (I set it back to "if autosubmit is ON" to test if the extension has been fixed yet.)

The old plug-in, of course, parsed all these sites properly and autosubmitted to them successfully. Surprised to hear that getting it to work in the new extension is such a novel problem that it involves "looking at options to deal with these sites." But I'm probably reading too much into how you phrased it.

[Deleted User] · July 2011

[quote name='gpc' timestamp='1311462246' post='33475']

Thanks. The "never" setting seems to be respected now that I upgraded to 3.6.5. (I set it back to "if autosubmit is ON" to test if the extension has been fixed yet.)

The old plug-in, of course, parsed all these sites properly and autosubmitted to them successfully. Surprised to hear that getting it to work in the new extension is such a novel problem that it involves "looking at options to deal with these sites." But I'm probably reading too much into how you phrased it.

[/quote]

gpc,

Thanks for the update. First of all, I'm glad the "Never" setting is respected with 3.6.5

Second, as I'm not a developer (i.e., I don't write code for a living), I'm confident that I likely choose the wrong choice of words when I made the statement.

I hear the devs speak, and my mind just fills in the gaps! <img src='http://forum.agile.ws/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

The explanation given to me was that some websites are coded in a way that make strange things happen when usernames and passwords are automatically filled.

I don't pretend to understand the underlying reasons for these behaviors, but questions on the Forums support the assertion that some sites just don't seem to work with Submit set to "Always" or "Auto". However, many of these sites are fine with Fill only.

To me, it seems a bit novel too, but with all the users posting sites that act this way, I would be incredibly surprised if there were an "easy" fix that was not implemented already. One thing I've learned about website filling/submitting is that there is a lot more going on underneath the pretty pages than I ever thought possible!

I'm learning as I go, but it hasn't been without a lot of brain damage. <img src='http://forum.agile.ws/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

Hope that didn't make it worse.

Cheers!

Brandt

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